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It is the only name that is based on an extensive understanding...

 


One of the most confusing messages about the Vanner breed on the Internet is the use of multiple names. Yes it is true that a breed is the same no matter what you call it but that is not what causes the confusion.  All horses raised by Gypsies - 100% of them - were called 'colored horses' but only 20% of those are actually a breed and that breed lacked a name.
 

The name Gypsy Vanner Horse is the first name in the world to recognize a selectively bred horse raised by Gypsies as a breed. It is also the only name that was carefully chosen based on an extensive understanding of Gypsies and their horses. All other names came after the name 'Gypsy Vanner Horse'.  Individuals, with different visions, coined them all.

 

Gypsy Gold's stallion Cushti Bok is the first selectively bred horse raised by Gypsies in the world to be recognized as a breed.  The Gypsy, Tom Price, who raised Cushti Bok said to me, “These horses are a lot harder to understand than people think. ”  Tom was profoundly correct..

For a more in depth understanding of the people, the breed they developed and the name Gypsy Vanner Horse see, “All in a Name" below.

 

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World renowned trainer Lynn Palm on The Gypsy King


...the versatility and talent of the amazing Vanner horses.

 

What can you do with Vanners?

The Gypsy Vanner Horse is surprisingly athletic, smart, willing and retains training very well. In addition the Vanner has an almost unflappable demeanor. The combination of ability, brains and calm make the Vanner a candidate for any number of equestrian pursuits such as driving, English and western riding, jumping, pleasure and trail.

The number one tandem driving team in North America for 2001 were Jasmine and Esmerelda of Bit a Both farms. Jasmine and Esmerelda were two of the original 16 Vanners imported to America by Gypsy Gold.

Breyer model The Gypsy King is the second Gypsy Vanner Horse stallion to arrive in North America. It was the renowned trainer and clinician, Lynn Palm, who first trained The Gypsy King for us, and Lynn will attest to his athletic abilities.

Appearing as a special guest at the Pin Oak charity horse show in Houston Texas The Gypsy King was ridden by 27 time USDF champion, Gold medallist and 2008 Olympic contender Pam Grace. Pam was so taken by The Gypsy Kings abilities that she told us that she believes he could achieve the Grand Prix level of dressage. 

History is being written every day that attests to the versatility and talent of the amazing Vanner horses.

 

 

Professional trainer Bob Giles (pictured driving our Crown Darby) trained eight Gypsy Gold horses for the Vanner breed's debut in '98.

27 time USDF Champion and Gold Medalist Pam Grace and The Gypsy King perform at Pin Oak Charity Show in Houston TX, 2005.

Purchased from Gypsy Gold, Jasmine and Esmerelda  became the #1 tandem driving team in North America.




driving team in North America.


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"A Golden Retriever with hooves" ™




What is the Vanner temperament like?



The Gypsy Vanner Horse is often compared to a companion animal because they want to please and be with people so much. We believe that the Vanners' innate kindness is attributed to two factors - feathers and environment.

Concerning feathers: All feathered horses evolved from a large prehistoric easygoing, hairy horse called The Forest Horse which lived in the forests of Europe. Feathering (hair) is an additive or cumulative gene so to develop the most feathered horse in the world Gypsies had to focus on only feathered horses. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the feathering holds a genetic key to the breed's easy going Forest Horse temperament.

Concerning environment: Gypsies maintain very close family ties, often traveling with extended family members for life. It is the children or grandchildren that typically tend to the family's prized horses. Those horses are often tethered on thirty foot chains with seat belts around their necks and are moved daily. The children pull the stakes and move the horses 30 feet every day. If a horse is ill tempered and endangers the life of a child it will be culled. That horse may look wonderful but it will wind up at a horse sale like any horse might that has negative issues.

In conclusion it is selective, feathered horse genetics and unique social management of those genetics that has created one of the most gentle horse breeds in the world. It is common for a Gypsy mother to tell her children to stop bothering the horses as they crawl over and under them. At Gypsy Gold we call the Gypsy Vanner Horse "A Golden Retriever with hooves" ™

Beware: The Gypsy Vanner Horse is the first breed in the history of breeds to establish itself in the age of the Internet. Due to that phenomenon and the popularity of this new and often misunderstood breed culled horses like the one mentioned above and culled horses with reproductive or genetic problems quickly wind up for sale on the Internet. The only way to insulate yourself from this is to buy the breed from knowledgeable and reputable breeders of Gypsy Vanner horses or follow very strict guidelines (guidelines to come) when dealing with an importer.

Remember 80% of the horses that Gypsies raise are not a breed, they are a type of horse called trade horses. Until you develop an eye for the breed, the trade horses will fool you. Trade horses look similar to the breed but have other inherited characteristics, which often come from smooth legged horse breeds like the Connamara and Irish Draught. Smooth legged genetics will reduce the feathering, change the temperament and often result in a less magical look.

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BB King  was America's first
solid colored Gypsy Vanner.






The Vanner is not a color breed, it is a body type...

 

Do Vanners come in all colors?


Yes. The Vanner is not a color breed, it is a body type. Piebald (black and white) and skewbald (brown and white) are the most common but any color is accepted as long as the seven points that define the Vanner breed are present (see breed standards).

Gypsy Gold's BB King (pictured) is the first solid colored Vanner born in North America. He has centerpiece breed genetics and is a tremendous example of the body, feather and head that Gypsies envisioned for their perfect caravan horse. Although black and white is the most common and popular Gypsies love the black Vanner stallions or mares, believing the blacks will produce a black and white baby with a deeper more true and distinctive black color. Some of the most famous sires in the history of the Vanner breed were, or are black. Tyson, The Old Black Horse, The Lob Eared Horse are three examples.

To achieve unique colors like palomino or Appaloosa, Gypsies step away from the primary (base) genetics that created the Vanner breed to get the unusual color and then go back to base genetics to replace the feather or other classic traits lost in the process. This is why you often see a reduction in feathering or other subtle breed trait differences with more exotic colors.

A Gypsy will always choose body type over color.

Our tri colored colt Latcho's Banner...

GG Sweeper's Coal,
is a dark brown bay...


 

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The "classic" Vanner is the centerpiece of the vision...



There are three size classifications for the Vanner. The 'Classic' Vanner is from 14 to 15.1 hands tall, the 'Mini' Vanner is under 14 hands and the 'Grand' Vanner is 15.2 hands and taller. All sizes should have the look of a small Shire (draft horse) with more feather (leg hair) and a sweeter (more refined) head.

The Classic Vanner is the centerpiece of the vision that created the breed however in recent years, (about the last 10 to 15) the Mini Vanner has become extremely popular with Gypsies. The prices for a prize Mini Vanner can be staggering from one Gypsy to another. We predict that in time the Mini Vanner and the Grand Vanner will become as popular in America as the  Classic Vanner is today. The key to the breed no matter what size you embrace is to focus on the seven characteristics  that define the Vanner's magic - the breed standard - as paramount goals in your breeding program.

 


Gypsy Gold's Grand Vanner filly, Chakra
 (pictured here at six months old) is, at
24 mos., 17 hh. with more growth to come!




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English Gypsies... would never reject a blue eyed horse


Yes, blue eyes are fine. Irish Gypsies prefer blue eyes thinking that blue eyed horses will produce more color in their babies. English Gypsies are not as enamored with blue eyes but would never reject a blue eyed horse as long as the rest of the animal fits their vision of the perfect caravan horse.


GG Latcho's Blue at four months of age...
(Blue now belongs to the Cofers - Belle Reid Farm - in Georgia)







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Many trade horses have been sold as though they are the 'breed' to unknowing buyers...

 


The Gypsy Vanner Horse is a status symbol; the breed as it was envisioned is really very rare. Horses raised by Gypsies (in general) are not rare or expensive at all. To an untrained eye both the type and the breed look similar -  but not to a Gypsy.
  This fact and the Internet have been the most difficult problems in establishing the true breed.  A Gypsy breeder once said to me (as he described a selectively bred stallion that he greatly admired), “I’d give a thousand pounds  just to walk him in front of the boys” 
That same breeder has hundreds of horses that are not capable of evoking that same feeling in him. They are often black and white, have some feather and can fool you... but those horses are called trade horses; he raises them like cattle for the European restaurant industry.

That same breeder will have a band of mares with known genetics and a prized stallion or stallions that will never leave him. He breeds them together in pursuit of the breed’s vision; a vision that only he and other Gypsy breeders like him knew until Cindy and I stumbled upon one selectively bred stallion and began a journey to understand how he got his magic.

The world's first selectively bred stallion ever to be recognized as a breed of horse raised by Gypsies is Gypsy Gold’s Cushti Bok. Over a decade has passed since Cindy and I first saw Cushti Bok. The stallion that sired him (The Old Horse of Wales) is still owned by the very same Gypsy that raised Cushti Bok from a baby and The Old Horse of Wales is still one of the best producing stallions in Great Britain. In 1992, the Gypsy who raised Cushti Bok sold him to another Gypsy breeder for 7,000 BPS (British Pound Sterling). 7,000 BPS is the equivalent of $14,000 US dollars with today’s exchange rate. If you add import fees and what it cost to identify a legitimate stallion potential colt like Cushti Bok, you will have an expensive baby by the time he gets to America.

After a stallion like Cushti Bok has developed a reputation for producing the centerpiece of the breed you will have an even more expensive horse, but you will have a horse worthy of establishing his new breed in a new land. To this day the finest filly example of the breed I have ever seen was a daughter of Cushti Bok. She was not for sale and was being gifted to a son of the Gypsy who owned him.

Here are the established prices of selectively bred horses raised by Gypsies if you were to purchase them directly from a Gypsy breeder without an importer involved. There are exceptions to everything but this will give you a good feel for true established breed values. As responsible breeders in America we do not want to erode Gypsies' existing breed values or blend them with their non-breed trade horses. Worldwide understanding has not happened yet...  but it will.

Stallion potential colts: They range from approximately a low of 3000+ BPS or ($6,000+ US dollars) to 7000+ BPS or ($14,000+US dollars) plus import fees. Import fees for air and ground will be approximately $8,000 dollars delivered to your door for a horse under two years old. The import figure is not based on volume purchasing because stallion potential colts do not exist in volume. Finding a legitimate stallion potential colt is like finding a needle in a haystack; it takes time and breed knowledge.  If purchased from an importer, the task is immensely more complicated and should only be done with irrefutable proof of parentage supported by DNA. Buying from an importer is really much more complicated than this but DNA proof of heritage is an absolute must.

Selectively bred colts in general can be purchased for less but for the good of the breed and breeders (both Gypsy and non-), most colts should be gelded before they are shipped out of Great Britain. Top aged stallions that are highly proven to produce the breed will be in the 20,000 BPS range ($40,000 US dollars) plus import fees. It is possible to find a legitimate proven stallion for less but that opportunity will often include a relationship with Gypsy breeders who share your passion to perpetuate their vision. Any truly worthy breed stallion will be known by top Gypsy breeders and will be expensive.

Good, selectively bred fillies range from a low of 3000+ BPS or ($6,000+ US dollars) to a high of 20,000 BPS or ($40,000 US dollars) plus import fees. Good filly foals from selective breeding commonly sell from one Gypsy to another for (5000 BPS) or ($10,000 US dollars). It is not uncommon for fillies to sell for 10,000+ BPS or ($20,000+ US dollars) and the best sell for as much as 20,000+ BPS or ($40,000+ US dollars). These prices are all from one Gypsy to another. Ten years ago, in England,  Cindy and I watched an outstanding mare with an equally outstanding filly foal by her side sell from one Gypsy to another for 42,000 BPS or at today’s exchange rate $84,000 US dollars. The mare and baby were perfect examples of what a Gypsy envisioned his caravan horse to be. These prices were astounding to us in the beginning
but they are very real.

Remember that 80% of the horses that Gypsies raise are called trade horses and are raised like cattle for the restaurant industry in Europe. You can buy Gypsy trade horse colts (which are probably black and white and have some feather!) for 100 BPS ($200 US dollars or less) and fillies for around 400 BPS ($800 US dollars or less) with adult mares being around 750 BPS ($1,500 US dollars more or less.

Trade horse prices are ironically similar to cattle prices. Many trade horses have been sold as though they are the breed to unknowing buyers throughout the world. The Internet, a lack of breed knowledge and horse traders' buy/sell mentality has created an environment that is ripe for this to happen. When you see web sites which advertise multiple names all together on their site (like Gypsy Horse, Gypsy Vanner Horse, Gypsy Cob, Tinker Horse, Irish Cob etc.), you are dealing with a horse trader focused on a transaction or you are  dealing with someone who has been influenced by a horse  trader's transaction based message - not a breeder with a focused vision for a breed. If you're looking for a horse with that 'magic' look you have come to love, find a reputable breeder of registered (DNA tested) Gypsy Vanner Horses.  An excellent place to start to find your Gypsy Vanner Horse is the list of Certified Gypsy Vanner breeders found on CertifiedHorse.com.

All Gypsies love “doing a deal” - just like horse traders - so they will sell you whatever you want. We should not expect them (on an individual level) to be a policeman for the genetic integrity of horses they sell to trader/importers.  It is our responsibility to understand the difference in their horses and - with that knowledge - establish their breed, outside of their world, as they envisioned it to be. Only with knowledge and goals to respect or improve established dollar values (which Gypsies enjoy for their selectively bred horses) can we establish and maintain worldwide parallel breed integrity.

A Gypsy (in reference to those trader/importers) recently said to me,  “If they want crap we will sell them crap”.

Sincere and dedicated breeders both Gypsy and non-Gypsy throughout the world will always be this breed's salvation. Cindy and I consciously made it our goal to transfer the feelings, genetics and value that the true breed enjoys with Gypsies, to America intact. The vision was that (with America as a centerpiece) the Vanner breed would become understood and then have the opportunity to develop in parallel worldwide. More and more Europeans are realizing that the horses raised by Gypsies (which developed as a breed under a different name than "Vanner" in their countries) were 100% brought to their countries by horse traders focused on transactions, and were not a breed.  For this reason, in Europe, trade horses have confused the breed's intended look and genetics. In most European countries -and on mass-importers' web sites - you can buy a "Gypsy" horse for around $2,000 dollars, which is totally unrealistic for the real breed.

There is an opportunity for dedicated breeders, breed lovers and breed societies in those countries to re-establish and re-position the breed as it was intended by aligning with the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society in America. I have received several unsolicited requests for this to happen from passionate breed lovers in Europe. I invite anyone interested in how this might work to contact me at info@GypsyVannerHorse.com.

 

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We are dedicated to establishing the Vanner breed with it’s magic intact...



This is a question that must be answered in a personal way.

At Gypsy Gold we are dedicated to establishing the Vanner breed with it's magic intact and we know that achieving that will take a lifetime of commitment. Anything that confuses the breed's look and temperament is a negative force to reaching our goal. For that reason we do not crossbreed Gypsy Gold stallions and will only breed them to mares which are solely registered with the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society.


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All names that are different from "Gypsy Vanner Horse" came after ... 

 


"Mother is the name for God in the lips and hearts of little children."
-William Makepeace Thackery


A powerful quote illustrates how meaningful a name can be. Words conjure up messages, images, visions and feelings both good and bad. Names that develop and maintain a special feeling deliver the promise of their name every time. Mercedes is a name that must deliver the feeling it has intentionally come to represent or the name Mercedes will be diminished. The name 'Gypsy Vanner Horse' is no different.

Until 1996, all horses raised by the Gypsies of Great Britain were called colored horses. The phrase identified 100% of all horses raised by Gypsies; no matter if they were selectively bred for half a century or a horse raised like cattle for the European restaurant business. The story of Gypsy Gold and the Gypsy Vanner Horse is a story about two people from America and their desire to understand one of the world's least understood societies and the horses they raise. It began one day when my late wife Cindy and I noticed a little black and white stallion standing in a field on the border of England and Wales (Oswestry England). When we stopped the car for a closer look, our lives were forever changed (see 'Discovery').  A desire to understand the horse that fate had handed us was born that day and quickly became an unrelenting obsession.  The effort gave us an understanding of the horses raised by Gypsies which was unparalleled outside of the world of Gypsies - and that kind of knowledge is a must if one is to legitimately establish a breed of horse developed by the Gypsies of Great Britain.

Our study was an unbiased, non-prejudiced overview of Gypsies and their horses that resulted in conclusions that even Gypsies found fascinating. 

Our effort uncovered a vision that was unknown outside of the world of Gypsies: to create the perfect caravan horse . Ironically, the colorful "little stallion" we first encountered was a superb reflection of that very vision. Interestingly, that little horse was named "The Log"; we renamed him Cushti Bok which means 'good luck' in the Romany language of Gypsies. 

Invited by the Gypsy we met on day one, we became the first Americans to attend the 300-year-old Appleby Horse fair. The Gypsy who invited us said, “You will see hundreds of colored horses there but none as good as mine and if you do, he’s gonna cost you a lot of money”.

For ten days while at Appleby we listened and watched for any Gypsy who sold or purchased a quality looking horse. We then approached them, introduced ourselves and documented how we might contact them later. After ten long days of intensely studying horses raised by Gypsies, we were amazed, there was indeed not one stallion at that fair that was any better (or, frankly, as good) as the one we saw the very first day.  For the next four years we followed the contacts we made at Appleby as we listened and learned about the horses raised by Gypsies.  We traced the genetics of Cushti Bok through three countries finding his parents in one and grandparents in another. It was Gypsy breeders focused on the vision that created him and raised them all.  We learned that, as a yearling, he was the most highly prized selectively bred colt in all of Great Britain at the very same horse fair we had attended years earlier. We would trace his unknown breed’s genetic origins to two stallions: “Sonny Mays” and “The Coal Horse”, and would identify many of the great mares and stallions that came after them. We stood overlooking the Irish Sea with the little stallion's father (The Old Horse) and the Gypsy that raised him (Tom Price) as he pointed to a clearing under a tree and said, “He was born right over there, I will never forget the day he was born. I held him in my arms and knew he was special. He is the best colt I ever raised”. Tom invited us into his caravan that day where he gave us a picture of the little stallion’s mother and a book titled Appleby Horse Fair. Inside the book was a picture of Cushti Bok being ponied through the river Eden at Appleby. The picture was taken the year that Bok was the most prized selectively bred colt at Appleby. Tom gave us the book that day, and here is that very photo (with Bok in the lead!):



The caption reads:  "Black and white horses are a
popular choice of the travelers, being a sturdy breed."

Think about it...  You are driving down the road in England and the look of a horse intrigues you. In your effort to understand it, you uncover the vision that created his unknown breed. Once the vision for the Gypsies' breed and it's genetic origins were understood, a name needed to be chosen that would separate the breed from the horses that Gypsies raise as a commodity. The only thing Cindy and I have ever wanted from this experience is to give these people and the wonderful horses they have created their day in the sun. A name that separates the breed from the type and an understanding of the difference is the only way to make that happen.

“You know you are doing this the hard way, but it’s the right way.”  These are the exact words of a Gypsy breeder who has maintained select genetics for over 50 years. By that, he meant that the 'easy' way would be to simply consider all horses raised by Gypsies as a breed. He saw very clearly how difficult it would be to separate his breed from the trade type of horse that Gypsies also raise and we knew that only a name could do it...
 

The task of choosing the perfect name for his breed was critically important and more painful than can be imagined. It was a process of careful,
deep and sensitive thought that seemed to go on forever. The choice was between Romany Horse and a name that Cindy surprised me with one day. I can still see the twinkle in her eye and feel the glow of her excitement as she sat me on the couch to tell me about the perfect name she had discovered.  The name of course was "Gypsy Vanner Horse".  She found a reference to a “The traditional gypsy vanner” captioned under a picture in a book called The Colored Horse and Pony by Edward Hart. It was the only book we ever found that referenced colored horses raised by Gypsies... and here is that actual photo and caption that inspired the name.




...and a close up of the caption:



We received the book from England, sent to us by a man named Phil Ball. Phil Ball managed the Shire center outside of London that was the absolute beginning of our journey resulting in the discovery of Cushti Bok and Phil Ball was paramount in helping us import Bat and Dolly, the first two Gypsy Vanner Horses in North America.
  

“The gypsy type of colored horse” were the words Edward Hart used to begin his section on Gypsies' colored horses. He suggested that perhaps it was time to recognize the selectively bred horses raised by Gypsies as a breed, but Mr. Hart was not referencing a breed at all when he used the term “traditional gypsy vanner" under the picture. He was an Englishman using his English language to describe a horse raised by Gypsies that was suitable to pull a caravan, which in his language is a "vanner".

The word "vanner" in the English Chambers dictionary means “A horse suitable to pull a caravan”. Mr. Hart was simply talking in his native English language when he used the word vanner.  Cindy had, indeed, discovered the perfect name for a horse raised by Gypsies born from a vision to create their perfect caravan horse. The icing on the cake was that we both heard Gypsies say “It’s a proper vanner" when they saw a horse they really admired.  Like Mr. Hart, the Gypsies who said “proper vanner” were simply using their English language to describe a horse that was suitable to pull a caravan. Cindy knew that Gypsy Vanner Horse was the perfect name right away, but I was not as sure and agonized about it for a very long time. We had already written a mission on our journey to understand horses raised by Gypsies that began with ...a commitment to bring honor recognition and a better understanding... and concluded with ...to remain quality based, culturally sensitive and socially responsible.  Every night I would wake up and worry if we were honoring these people, bringing a better understanding to them and their horses and being culturally sensitive if we used the name 'Gypsy' at all in their new breed's name. The word is a romantic and colorful word in America but often has a different feeling in Europe.  I was driving Cindy crazy with my obsession over this until the words of a Gypsy convinced me that Gypsy Vanner Horse, was indeed his breed’s perfect name. Here's how I came to that conclusion, in three parts.

(Part one) The word 'Gypsy' is an umbrella word. You can compare it to the word 'American'. There are several types of people that live under it’s umbrella meaning. There are genetically identifiable people originally from India called Romany. There are people who live a Gypsy lifestyle based on historical happenstance (the clearings and the potato famines) called Irish and Scottish Travelers. There are people who are half Romany and half non-Romany called Didikoi and there are people who have lived a Gypsy lifestyle for generations who have no connection to genetics or historical happenstance.  All definitions will have horse breeders that have contributed to the development of the Vanner breed. The word Gypsy therefore is the only word that could ever honor all the people that live under its umbrella meaning. Using the name Gypsy in the breed description could therefore achieve the goal to honor and bring a better understanding to the people that live under it’s umbrella meaning. Like American in American Quarter Horse, it is meant to describe the people that had a vision... it is not meant to describe their vision.  Calling a Vanner "a Gypsy horse" is like going to a Quarter Horse farm and saying, of their horses, "Those are nice looking Americans"!  If you don't understand and credit the vision, you risk losing it.

(Part two) The word Vanner is the breed's vision word and is absolutely perfect for the breed worldwide because it is the only word that truly identifies a Gypsy's vision to create his perfect caravan horse and it is a proper English word which honors the breed's origin.  A breed must have a word that describes the vision that created it (again, like American Quarter horse) or the vision for the breed must be clearly understood and fixed (like Arabian).  The challenge in all of this has been to separate the vision horses (breed) from the general population of Gypsies' colored horses. I won’t beat around the bush here; one is a status symbol, and the other is the 'trade' horse raised for the restaurant business in Belgium, Holland and France. If we don’t separate the breed from the trade type, we have compromised the breed’s genetic integrity and established value with Gypsies.

(Part three) This one finally allowed me too get some sleep and Cindy to regain her sanity. When given a choice between Romany Horse or Gypsy Vanner Horse a Gypsy (who is clearly one of the most dedicated breeders alive today and referred to by by a pillar of the Gypsy community as "King of the Colored Horses") said:

“ Why, Gypsy Vanner Horse is the perfect name;
that’s what they are: a Gypsy's Vanner horse”

These are the exact words of a Gypsy who has maintained selective genetics (born from a vision to create his perfect caravan horse) for over 50 years. He has, like all dedicated Gypsy breeders, the genetics of many of the greatest stallions and mares in the history of the breed running through the veins of his vision horses.  The Lob Eared Horse, The Paddy Horse, The Coal Horse, Tyson, The Sham, Old Henry, The Old White Mare, The Eagle Mare, The Horseshoe Mare, Bonnie, The Pio Mare, Sonny Mays, Pride, The Roadsweeper UK, The Bank, The Old Horse, The Midget Mare and The Kent Horse are just a few of the names that run deep in the veins of this man's horses and in the veins of all horses raised by dedicated breeders of the Vanner vision worldwide.

We knew that the difference between a Gypsy's selectively bred horse and their trade horses would not be understood for a long time and we also knew that, without an understanding, the breed would be exploited by horse traders. Sure enough, that has happened; the Internet is loaded with confusing  messages about the breed.  Some sites offer dozens of Gypsy raised horses for sale (using multiple names) and even condone importing trade horses! This is exploiting the Gypsies, their breed and the buyer.  It only benefits the trader. 

For that reason and that reason only we protected the name Gypsy Vanner Horse for the Society founded to establish and protect the breed. The name is now what is called a certification mark. A certified Gypsy Vanner Horse must have the seven qualities envisioned by Gypsies for their perfect caravan horse to become certified.  It is our intention that no 'trade', or culled horse will make it through the rigorous certification jurying procedure (click here to visit Certified Horse).

I hope you now have a better understanding of Gypsies, their horses and the name Gypsy Vanner Horse.

 


On November 24, 1996, Gypsy Gold's Bat and Dolly became America's first Gypsy's Vanner horses and, on that same day the world's first registry for a selectively bred horse raised by Gypsies - The Gypsy Vanner Horse Society - was established.  Bat and Dolly stayed secluded at our farm in Ocala, Florida, and over the next two years, Cindy and I meticulously identified and imported a total of 16 Vanners that were genetically capable of producing the centerpiece of the breed.  As fate would have it, the very horse we saw on day one - Cushti Bok - was one of those.  In June of 1998, we introduced the Gypsy Vanner Horse breed and it's society on the Internet and to the American public at Equitana, USA in Louisville, Kentucky.  The world went wild for the images of the magic horses.  But the world did not understand that they were not merely "Gypsy" horses... they were Gypsy Vanner Horses. All names that are different from Gypsy Vanner Horse came after the breed’s introduction in 1998. Individuals with visions not in harmony with the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society's visions coined them all. To me only one name will ever truly represent the breed that Gypsies envisioned, and that name is Gypsy Vanner Horse. Cindy is gone now and I will follow one day. I can only hope that the vision now shared by many - to legitimately recognize a breed of horse raised by Gypsies - will live on forever. 

As amazing as it may seem, the opportunity is still “All in a Name”.

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